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	<title>Comments on: Please help a paper that&#8217;s considering a switch from Macs to PCs</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Martel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We've just been through a four-month assessment, trialling high-end Dell machines and there's very little difference between the two. However, we've decided to keep our artists on Macs for the next year at least because the move to online work is happening so quickly we don't know how things will change. The main obstacle for a shift was FinalCutPro, which is Mac-only. We're not even using it yet, but we felt if we are doing video for the web, FinalCutPro is the way to go.

I'd suggest side-by-side testing is pretty much a waste of time. The Dell machines were just as fast as my Intel Mac.

As for cost, the Macs were more expensive, but not enough to make a difference either way.They would have been running Parallels and Windows XP so we can use InDesign integrated with our main system, but that's another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve just been through a four-month assessment, trialling high-end Dell machines and there&#8217;s very little difference between the two. However, we&#8217;ve decided to keep our artists on Macs for the next year at least because the move to online work is happening so quickly we don&#8217;t know how things will change. The main obstacle for a shift was FinalCutPro, which is Mac-only. We&#8217;re not even using it yet, but we felt if we are doing video for the web, FinalCutPro is the way to go.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest side-by-side testing is pretty much a waste of time. The Dell machines were just as fast as my Intel Mac.</p>
<p>As for cost, the Macs were more expensive, but not enough to make a difference either way.They would have been running Parallels and Windows XP so we can use InDesign integrated with our main system, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did buy some of the new 8-core (2 x Quad-Core Intel Xeon processors) Mac Pro workstations in January to replace some of our dual G5 workstations that we run our 3d software on. I just went to the Dell site and tried to configure something similar. The Dell was costing 1.5 to 2 times more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did buy some of the new 8-core (2 x Quad-Core Intel Xeon processors) Mac Pro workstations in January to replace some of our dual G5 workstations that we run our 3d software on. I just went to the Dell site and tried to configure something similar. The Dell was costing 1.5 to 2 times more.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dupras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dupras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks for the great input and feedback, and thanks again, Charles, for helping me cast a wide net for opinions.  Keep them coming!

To give you all a little more background on our particular situation, the question of switching to PCs is indeed one of cost.  In mid-2007, I sought to replace the nine Macs we have for graphics artists and designers.  The newest machine in that fleet is 4 years old; most are 6 and 7 years old.  Most have had a processor and RAM upgrades at some point over the years and are maxed out.  But as Will says, they're still chugging away.

My impetus for seeking new machines was mainly CS2.  We were finding that on the older G4s, Illustrator in particular was a problem.  InDesign wasn't so bad.  We also needed new monitors (most of those are just as old as the Macs). And we recognized the need to switch to Intel processors before long so we could switch eventually to CS3 (and wanting to add Flash, that would soon be necessary).

I initially asked for top-line iMacs, but our IS department advocated, to my delight, getting quad MacPros and new widescreen LCD monitors.  We bought three machines, replacing the three oldest Macs, and gave them to the three artists who do information graphics (and so use Illustrator more than the others, addressing the most critical performance and productivity issue).  We then planned to purchase the other six machines in 2008.

Then the budget numbers came back -- sorry, no new Macs in 2008.  And maybe when we do replace those machines, we should get PCs.

So I'm working with our IS department to determine whether it would really be cheaper, what the hidden costs are (the TCO), and so forth.  They'll be setting up side-by-side testing for compatibility and functionality as well.  We have until the fall to pull together a final report.  The feedback I'm getting from all of you will be part of it.

So again, keep it coming, and thanks for the help!

-- Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for the great input and feedback, and thanks again, Charles, for helping me cast a wide net for opinions.  Keep them coming!</p>
<p>To give you all a little more background on our particular situation, the question of switching to PCs is indeed one of cost.  In mid-2007, I sought to replace the nine Macs we have for graphics artists and designers.  The newest machine in that fleet is 4 years old; most are 6 and 7 years old.  Most have had a processor and RAM upgrades at some point over the years and are maxed out.  But as Will says, they&#8217;re still chugging away.</p>
<p>My impetus for seeking new machines was mainly CS2.  We were finding that on the older G4s, Illustrator in particular was a problem.  InDesign wasn&#8217;t so bad.  We also needed new monitors (most of those are just as old as the Macs). And we recognized the need to switch to Intel processors before long so we could switch eventually to CS3 (and wanting to add Flash, that would soon be necessary).</p>
<p>I initially asked for top-line iMacs, but our IS department advocated, to my delight, getting quad MacPros and new widescreen LCD monitors.  We bought three machines, replacing the three oldest Macs, and gave them to the three artists who do information graphics (and so use Illustrator more than the others, addressing the most critical performance and productivity issue).  We then planned to purchase the other six machines in 2008.</p>
<p>Then the budget numbers came back &#8212; sorry, no new Macs in 2008.  And maybe when we do replace those machines, we should get PCs.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m working with our IS department to determine whether it would really be cheaper, what the hidden costs are (the TCO), and so forth.  They&#8217;ll be setting up side-by-side testing for compatibility and functionality as well.  We have until the fall to pull together a final report.  The feedback I&#8217;m getting from all of you will be part of it.</p>
<p>So again, keep it coming, and thanks for the help!</p>
<p>&#8211; Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Will Seberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Seberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends don't let friends make mistakes.

Where is the cost savings?

Hardware of similar specifications across the two platforms is pretty close in price; in some cases with the advantage going to Apple.

Although I won't pretend that Apples are totally secure, a newsroom full of journalists reading every email sent their way and opening every attachment either out of necessity or ignorance will not end well in a Windows environment.

Let's also not forget whose operating system causes more problems with false-positive anti-piracy measures.  When last I checked, Apple didn't even require a serial number for installation, much less 'break' computers found (correctly or incorrectly) to be using 'pirated' serial numbers.

Oh yeah, then there's site-licensing antivirus software too.  When I stopped using Windows a couple years back, there weren't any good freebies that could legally be used in a commercial environment.  Mac still has ClamXAV.

Anecdotally, Apple hardware lasts longer.  I've been in newsrooms with 10-year-old G3's and G4's still happily chugging away.  I, personally, have never had a PC last longer than 2-3 years before being partially or completely rebuilt.

Additionally, the cost of replacing all the Mac software licenses with Windows software licenses is prohibitive as well.  Why do it?

The industry is all over the place these days.  Why compound staffers' misery by handing them new computers (and delays stemming from problems in roll-out) to add insult to injury?  That's just mean.

Lastly, what is the significant monetary advantage of switching?  I can all but guarantee you that admin costs for Windows machines is higher than Apple (but probably lower than various *nix distros).  Even if there are a couple bucks to be saved in the hardware, or even possibly in the software retraining and support have to make it less than money-saving.

The only place I'd go against the Apple is the XServe.  That specific hardware is a colossal waste of money when compared to similarly equipped Windows or even Linux hardware.</description>
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<p>Where is the cost savings?</p>
<p>Hardware of similar specifications across the two platforms is pretty close in price; in some cases with the advantage going to Apple.</p>
<p>Although I won&#8217;t pretend that Apples are totally secure, a newsroom full of journalists reading every email sent their way and opening every attachment either out of necessity or ignorance will not end well in a Windows environment.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget whose operating system causes more problems with false-positive anti-piracy measures.  When last I checked, Apple didn&#8217;t even require a serial number for installation, much less &#8216;break&#8217; computers found (correctly or incorrectly) to be using &#8216;pirated&#8217; serial numbers.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, then there&#8217;s site-licensing antivirus software too.  When I stopped using Windows a couple years back, there weren&#8217;t any good freebies that could legally be used in a commercial environment.  Mac still has ClamXAV.</p>
<p>Anecdotally, Apple hardware lasts longer.  I&#8217;ve been in newsrooms with 10-year-old G3&#8217;s and G4&#8217;s still happily chugging away.  I, personally, have never had a PC last longer than 2-3 years before being partially or completely rebuilt.</p>
<p>Additionally, the cost of replacing all the Mac software licenses with Windows software licenses is prohibitive as well.  Why do it?</p>
<p>The industry is all over the place these days.  Why compound staffers&#8217; misery by handing them new computers (and delays stemming from problems in roll-out) to add insult to injury?  That&#8217;s just mean.</p>
<p>Lastly, what is the significant monetary advantage of switching?  I can all but guarantee you that admin costs for Windows machines is higher than Apple (but probably lower than various *nix distros).  Even if there are a couple bucks to be saved in the hardware, or even possibly in the software retraining and support have to make it less than money-saving.</p>
<p>The only place I&#8217;d go against the Apple is the XServe.  That specific hardware is a colossal waste of money when compared to similarly equipped Windows or even Linux hardware.</p>
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