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	<title>Comments on: SmartNews hoping to put the &#8217;smart&#8217; into small papers</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Higdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Higdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've passed this along to my friends in Lake Tahoe who have a large circle of tiny Swift papers and some freelancers I know who might play along. Also got a ton of little papers in Reno. States like this have good potential with only twomajor newspapers in the whole of Nevada.

I wonder if what you guys are/can be experimenting with is citizen journalism here too. This would be an interesting way to encourage that aspect of the journalism experiment. I'd say it'll take this a year to take off if you do it right. It has great potential, market it with some other partners. 

Hell, even city papers could take content from colleges due to larger paper's lack of university coverage (guessing of course the college paper has worthwhile or good content to use). But if so, think of the great supplement to college paper's banks and city paper's pages (not to mention a beat reporter). Now that's something I can dig on. I'll bring it up with "my people."

I'd ask the same questions as John but I see he beat me to it. Should be fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve passed this along to my friends in Lake Tahoe who have a large circle of tiny Swift papers and some freelancers I know who might play along. Also got a ton of little papers in Reno. States like this have good potential with only twomajor newspapers in the whole of Nevada.</p>
<p>I wonder if what you guys are/can be experimenting with is citizen journalism here too. This would be an interesting way to encourage that aspect of the journalism experiment. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;ll take this a year to take off if you do it right. It has great potential, market it with some other partners. </p>
<p>Hell, even city papers could take content from colleges due to larger paper&#8217;s lack of university coverage (guessing of course the college paper has worthwhile or good content to use). But if so, think of the great supplement to college paper&#8217;s banks and city paper&#8217;s pages (not to mention a beat reporter). Now that&#8217;s something I can dig on. I&#8217;ll bring it up with &#8220;my people.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask the same questions as John but I see he beat me to it. Should be fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McBee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim McBee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad to see the wheels turning, John. That's why we need folks like you to help us figure this thing out. I agree that SNR probably won't engender a whole lot of freelance city-hall coverage. But there could be room for someone who otherwise blogs about a specialty, or someone with entertainment connections, or a sports reporter with access to famous jocks, or .... 

The heart of the concept is for freelancers to resell stories they haven't sold exclusive rights to.  

And we will allow providers to "blacklist" publications if they feel they've gotten a raw deal on ratings, just as we will allow them to black out publications that may be in a region affected by a non-compete agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see the wheels turning, John. That&#8217;s why we need folks like you to help us figure this thing out. I agree that SNR probably won&#8217;t engender a whole lot of freelance city-hall coverage. But there could be room for someone who otherwise blogs about a specialty, or someone with entertainment connections, or a sports reporter with access to famous jocks, or &#8230;. </p>
<p>The heart of the concept is for freelancers to resell stories they haven&#8217;t sold exclusive rights to.  </p>
<p>And we will allow providers to &#8220;blacklist&#8221; publications if they feel they&#8217;ve gotten a raw deal on ratings, just as we will allow them to black out publications that may be in a region affected by a non-compete agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: John Zhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I certainly applaud you guys for trying something new (in fact I just signed up as one of your beta testers). I'm just concerned that most content-providers would see little reason to participate because of how many purchases of one piece of work it would take to just cover the time spent producing it, and the likelihood of that happening seems low, given the geographic and timeliness factors. I think sites like istockphoto.com works in part b/c a lot of those photos don't take a lot of time to produce, or they could be something that was done more for recreation than for pay. If I can pursue my hobby and make a couple bucks from it, why not? But no one covers city hall or writes sports features as a hobby, so if somebody takes the time to do something like that, they are looking to get paid (and not just a couple bucks either, considering how much time it takes). Without guaranteed, equitable compensation for their efforts, I doubt most journalists would see this as worthwhile.

One other concern: What real incentives do the papers have for giving a piece a good rating, since higher ratings will make future work from that provider more expensive? The content-providers can't dictate whom to sell to or not sell to, so they can't cut off papers that give them low ratings. The only thing they can do is to stop contributing, in which case the paper still has less to lose, since the chances are usually slim that it would use something else from the same freelancer again. The freelancers would lose more since they won't have any business if they stop contributing. Again, the model seems unbalanced in favor of the buyer. Perhaps you should consider a cost scale based on how many times a provider's work has been downloaded compared to the site average. That takes subjective opinion and shenanigans out of play.

I definitely do like the idea of a "marketplace" where journalists can sell their services. But I think it might work better along the lines of a guru.com model, where newspapers post projects and request bids, and freelancers could propose projects and see how many papers would be interested in acquiring the product, so they would know if it's worthwhile before investing time and effort into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I certainly applaud you guys for trying something new (in fact I just signed up as one of your beta testers). I&#8217;m just concerned that most content-providers would see little reason to participate because of how many purchases of one piece of work it would take to just cover the time spent producing it, and the likelihood of that happening seems low, given the geographic and timeliness factors. I think sites like istockphoto.com works in part b/c a lot of those photos don&#8217;t take a lot of time to produce, or they could be something that was done more for recreation than for pay. If I can pursue my hobby and make a couple bucks from it, why not? But no one covers city hall or writes sports features as a hobby, so if somebody takes the time to do something like that, they are looking to get paid (and not just a couple bucks either, considering how much time it takes). Without guaranteed, equitable compensation for their efforts, I doubt most journalists would see this as worthwhile.</p>
<p>One other concern: What real incentives do the papers have for giving a piece a good rating, since higher ratings will make future work from that provider more expensive? The content-providers can&#8217;t dictate whom to sell to or not sell to, so they can&#8217;t cut off papers that give them low ratings. The only thing they can do is to stop contributing, in which case the paper still has less to lose, since the chances are usually slim that it would use something else from the same freelancer again. The freelancers would lose more since they won&#8217;t have any business if they stop contributing. Again, the model seems unbalanced in favor of the buyer. Perhaps you should consider a cost scale based on how many times a provider&#8217;s work has been downloaded compared to the site average. That takes subjective opinion and shenanigans out of play.</p>
<p>I definitely do like the idea of a &#8220;marketplace&#8221; where journalists can sell their services. But I think it might work better along the lines of a guru.com model, where newspapers post projects and request bids, and freelancers could propose projects and see how many papers would be interested in acquiring the product, so they would know if it&#8217;s worthwhile before investing time and effort into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McBee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim McBee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We've been thinking about all those things, too, John. The only way to gauge the market is to test it, which is what we're doing. Just in a very quick glance at press association listings, there are thousands and thousands of newspapers in the U.S. Not to mention city and state magazines, alt weeklies, arts and entertainment pubs, college papers and so on. 

As for making a living versus gravy, I think the idea is some money is better than none. Not everyone who freelances does it full time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been thinking about all those things, too, John. The only way to gauge the market is to test it, which is what we&#8217;re doing. Just in a very quick glance at press association listings, there are thousands and thousands of newspapers in the U.S. Not to mention city and state magazines, alt weeklies, arts and entertainment pubs, college papers and so on. </p>
<p>As for making a living versus gravy, I think the idea is some money is better than none. Not everyone who freelances does it full time.</p>
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