Comments on: For your consideration… http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/2009/02/for-your-consideration-3/ www.visualeditors.com/apple Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:13:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Daniel Hunt http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/2009/02/for-your-consideration-3/comment-page-1/#comment-21449 Daniel Hunt Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:10:50 +0000 http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/?p=6876#comment-21449 While I don't agree with "stealing," "borrowing" or "paying homage," One question that hasn't been outright asked was: "Is this for the reader?" Isn't that why we're doing this, anyway? That being said, I agree with David at the Patriot-News: Did the latter design serve the reader? Not really -- it didn't really illustrate the story, and that's a disservice to them and to the craft. It's just stealing, sorry. Let's say the slammer didn't say "down, down, down" and it actually was written to give the DOW|N logotype a purpose, then I won't have my hackles raised. But I digress... Look, we all have A LOT of problems these days, but forums like this are great to discuss, analyze and help those new to the industry realize what TO and NOT TO do. Heck, there are some who have been at this for years who don't understand right from wrong. Given the climate, hand-wringing seems a bit much, but it's encouraging to see impassioned reason and discussion. At any rate, it's up to the managers to cultivate an environment of honest and effective visual journalism. And now I'll go back to organizing my NPD stash. While I don’t agree with “stealing,” “borrowing” or “paying homage,” One question that hasn’t been outright asked was: “Is this for the reader?”

Isn’t that why we’re doing this, anyway?

That being said, I agree with David at the Patriot-News: Did the latter design serve the reader? Not really — it didn’t really illustrate the story, and that’s a disservice to them and to the craft. It’s just stealing, sorry.

Let’s say the slammer didn’t say “down, down, down” and it actually was written to give the DOW|N logotype a purpose, then I won’t have my hackles raised. But I digress…

Look, we all have A LOT of problems these days, but forums like this are great to discuss, analyze and help those new to the industry realize what TO and NOT TO do. Heck, there are some who have been at this for years who don’t understand right from wrong. Given the climate, hand-wringing seems a bit much, but it’s encouraging to see impassioned reason and discussion.

At any rate, it’s up to the managers to cultivate an environment of honest and effective visual journalism.

And now I’ll go back to organizing my NPD stash.

]]> By: Brandon Dingess http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/2009/02/for-your-consideration-3/comment-page-1/#comment-21443 Brandon Dingess Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:36:31 +0000 http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/?p=6876#comment-21443 Ernie pretty well summed up what I was trying to say. He was just much better at it. Ernie pretty well summed up what I was trying to say.

He was just much better at it.

]]> By: Ernie Smith http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/2009/02/for-your-consideration-3/comment-page-1/#comment-21426 Ernie Smith Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:45:21 +0000 http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/?p=6876#comment-21426 John, I guess what I'm saying is less that it's not a problem, but more that there's a time and place for this. The quality of our work is important, and it can't decline right now in difficult times, but it's just not we should be focusing on. As an industry, as human beings. It takes time away from working on what our real job is right now: Not front page treatments, but keeping this industry alive. Let's figure out how we can do that so that we can have these heated arguments about plagiarism in three or four years. John, I guess what I’m saying is less that it’s not a problem, but more that there’s a time and place for this.

The quality of our work is important, and it can’t decline right now in difficult times, but it’s just not we should be focusing on. As an industry, as human beings. It takes time away from working on what our real job is right now: Not front page treatments, but keeping this industry alive. Let’s figure out how we can do that so that we can have these heated arguments about plagiarism in three or four years.

]]> By: Chris Lee http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/2009/02/for-your-consideration-3/comment-page-1/#comment-21424 Chris Lee Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:28:43 +0000 http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/?p=6876#comment-21424 Those that say this isn't a big issue because the industry is in shambles: Would you say the same thing about a plagiarized story that doesn't credit the original author? Just because we are in trouble doesn't mean our ethics should go out the window. That's not to say this is a huge issue either, but does it really take so much effort to not completely rip each other off? Don't we, as designers, pride ourselves on presenting the news in a unique and engaging fashion? Those that say this isn’t a big issue because the industry is in shambles: Would you say the same thing about a plagiarized story that doesn’t credit the original author?
Just because we are in trouble doesn’t mean our ethics should go out the window.

That’s not to say this is a huge issue either, but does it really take so much effort to not completely rip each other off? Don’t we, as designers, pride ourselves on presenting the news in a unique and engaging fashion?

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