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	<title>Comments on: First look: Redesign of the Washington Post</title>
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		<title>By: Roger Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems like a good place to give credit where it is due to the design team at the Post. I've never before worked with a smarter, more pleasant group of designers. Dennis Brack is truly a great newspaper designer, a visual journalist and a fine typographer. Janet Michaud is brilliant. (She did the final magazine design, which has gotten much undeserved flack, considering what a giant improvement it is.) Justin Ferrell is a real leader who is bringing the news sections new strength and openness. Ed Thiede provided momentum and Deb Leithauser (an actual editor) pushed things through that no one though could get through. 

And then there is David Berlow and Matthew Carter who sweetened the headline fonts, and designed a new Postoni Titling, used for the section headings.

As Walter Bernard (who was responsible for the last big change at the Post) once said, the proof of a redeisgn is in the execution. Wait a while and you can tell if it works or not. I feel like we've extended Walter's and Mike Keegan's direction, and made a platform that will help the newspaper survive the economy and the terrible ad market. 

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Note: Much nonsense has been said about the body type. The fact is that we tried many fonts, and tested them three times on the press. Miller won, and despite a minor concern that it's over familiar, the management agreed that we should go for the most readable typeface, and let the blogs fall where they may. 

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And just wait till you see the new web reader---to be announced soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems like a good place to give credit where it is due to the design team at the Post. I&#8217;ve never before worked with a smarter, more pleasant group of designers. Dennis Brack is truly a great newspaper designer, a visual journalist and a fine typographer. Janet Michaud is brilliant. (She did the final magazine design, which has gotten much undeserved flack, considering what a giant improvement it is.) Justin Ferrell is a real leader who is bringing the news sections new strength and openness. Ed Thiede provided momentum and Deb Leithauser (an actual editor) pushed things through that no one though could get through. </p>
<p>And then there is David Berlow and Matthew Carter who sweetened the headline fonts, and designed a new Postoni Titling, used for the section headings.</p>
<p>As Walter Bernard (who was responsible for the last big change at the Post) once said, the proof of a redeisgn is in the execution. Wait a while and you can tell if it works or not. I feel like we&#8217;ve extended Walter&#8217;s and Mike Keegan&#8217;s direction, and made a platform that will help the newspaper survive the economy and the terrible ad market. </p>
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<p>Note: Much nonsense has been said about the body type. The fact is that we tried many fonts, and tested them three times on the press. Miller won, and despite a minor concern that it&#8217;s over familiar, the management agreed that we should go for the most readable typeface, and let the blogs fall where they may. </p>
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<p>And just wait till you see the new web reader&#8212;to be announced soon!</p>
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		<title>By: tlb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tlb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Will Davis' comment "I think the sports scores at the top of the page are a good idea, but I’m not sure how well it works in other sections.", as a long time Washington Post subscriber, it doesn't work in the other sections. I find it distracting and annoying and I hope it goes away soon. Here's an idea...use that space for more news!

I also agree with his comment on the editorial page design. It's difficult to read and it looks stodgy to me too.

The removal of byline credit is one of the things that I dislike the most. I want to know exactly who these writers are--are they reporters for The Post or just some person they dragged in off the street?

Lastly, the poor WSJ-like columnist portraits are really nasty--take a look at the editor and publisher portraits in the redesign guide pdf as both look like they had a waffle iron overlaid on their faces...'-}}

All in all, it's not as badly done as the "redesign" of The Washington Post Sunday magazine (ugh!) and I guess I'll probably get used to it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Will Davis&#8217; comment &#8220;I think the sports scores at the top of the page are a good idea, but I’m not sure how well it works in other sections.&#8221;, as a long time Washington Post subscriber, it doesn&#8217;t work in the other sections. I find it distracting and annoying and I hope it goes away soon. Here&#8217;s an idea&#8230;use that space for more news!</p>
<p>I also agree with his comment on the editorial page design. It&#8217;s difficult to read and it looks stodgy to me too.</p>
<p>The removal of byline credit is one of the things that I dislike the most. I want to know exactly who these writers are&#8211;are they reporters for The Post or just some person they dragged in off the street?</p>
<p>Lastly, the poor WSJ-like columnist portraits are really nasty&#8211;take a look at the editor and publisher portraits in the redesign guide pdf as both look like they had a waffle iron overlaid on their faces&#8230;&#8217;-}}</p>
<p>All in all, it&#8217;s not as badly done as the &#8220;redesign&#8221; of The Washington Post Sunday magazine (ugh!) and I guess I&#8217;ll probably get used to it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Will Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting (and refreshing) that they took away both ears, when most newspapers are trying to cram as much as they can above and around the nameplate.

Also, Daniel, the Wall Street Journal still does capped heds. I agree, they're a little more elegant, but the Associated Press has worked hard to castrate all that is elegant about newspapers. From what I understand, the Post mostly follows AP style.

I think, in general, the "tweak" is great. It's interesting to see the Post go with a slightly more kerned out font when most newspapers are trying smaller and tighter fonts (The New York Times gets 12 lines of text in four cm while most papers only get 11), but I can see how they can justify it if they are using less ink.

I think the sports scores at the top of the page are a good idea, but I'm not sure how well it works in other sections. I also think the columnist portraits are a bit much â€” the guy with the fedora is definitely trying to ham up the old-school reporter stereotype.

I think the only thing I really have a problem with, though, is the new editorial page. I couldn't find an old one to compare it with, but I think they went a bit to far with the retro look here. It just ends up looking stodgy. Putting the comic in the middle of the page like that is very weird, and what's up with the "An Independent Newspaper" thing â€” has that always been there?

All in all, a good effort, and I was surprised at the amount of positive feedback from readers. It was smart of them not to tackle a full-on redesign. That never pleases anybody.

P.S. I totally love the return of the multiple-deck heds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting (and refreshing) that they took away both ears, when most newspapers are trying to cram as much as they can above and around the nameplate.</p>
<p>Also, Daniel, the Wall Street Journal still does capped heds. I agree, they&#8217;re a little more elegant, but the Associated Press has worked hard to castrate all that is elegant about newspapers. From what I understand, the Post mostly follows AP style.</p>
<p>I think, in general, the &#8220;tweak&#8221; is great. It&#8217;s interesting to see the Post go with a slightly more kerned out font when most newspapers are trying smaller and tighter fonts (The New York Times gets 12 lines of text in four cm while most papers only get 11), but I can see how they can justify it if they are using less ink.</p>
<p>I think the sports scores at the top of the page are a good idea, but I&#8217;m not sure how well it works in other sections. I also think the columnist portraits are a bit much â€” the guy with the fedora is definitely trying to ham up the old-school reporter stereotype.</p>
<p>I think the only thing I really have a problem with, though, is the new editorial page. I couldn&#8217;t find an old one to compare it with, but I think they went a bit to far with the retro look here. It just ends up looking stodgy. Putting the comic in the middle of the page like that is very weird, and what&#8217;s up with the &#8220;An Independent Newspaper&#8221; thing â€” has that always been there?</p>
<p>All in all, a good effort, and I was surprised at the amount of positive feedback from readers. It was smart of them not to tackle a full-on redesign. That never pleases anybody.</p>
<p>P.S. I totally love the return of the multiple-deck heds.</p>
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		<title>By: Francie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really beautiful upgrade. Still one of the most gorgeous newspapers anywhere.</description>
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