Visual Editors discuss newspaper design, redesign, graphics, illustration, and typography.      Subscribe to RSS feed   Log in   Ning site   Forums

Forums

 

 

Visual Editors
  Start a discussion
  Contact a colleague
  Share your portfolio
  Blog your expertise
  Customize your profile
  Join a discussion
  Create a group
  Share an event
  Upload a video
  Invite your friends


Visual Editors, NFP was incorporated as a 501(c)(3) non-profit in 2004.

 
  Download This Topic
   Previous topic
   Next topic
Are we good at passing "NEW" news in smash heads?
 Visual Editors Forum Index » General Discussion   
These are legacy forums from 2004-2007.  Visit the new Visual Editors.

Billy Simkins

Contributing editor

Contributing editor

Joined: 27 Jul 2004


Posts: 141

Posted:
Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:09 pm

Reply with quote
 
... or do we just present the basic breaking news head one day late?

Thoughts?



BTW
I have no idea why the correct topic isn't showing up:
Do we do a good job at passing "NEW" news in smash heads?

[MOD: changed hed to fit. NB]
_________________
The dude abides

- Dude
View user's profile Send private message
douglas e. jessmer

VizEds Moderator

VizEds Moderator

Joined: 19 Mar 2004


Posts: 1364

Posted:
Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:51 pm

Reply with quote
 
Depends on what you call a "smash" hed.

If you mean one of those two-word, huge-ass bold bullet heads, well, they can be trite sometimes.

Many sports departments lean on bullet heads, for whatever reason, and they can be just about as informative as an unprinted cardboard box. Or they can just be a bad or overused cliche, which is just plain cheap. Readers are smart enough to know what the big news is without giving them an unnecessary big-ass head. (Don't get me wrong, but there are times when that big hed is unavoidable — Sept. 11, space shuttle accidents, etc.)

Maybe the better question: "Should we use smash heads over the latest news?" The answer, in that event, should be "if it tells the story." If it doesn't tell the story, don't use it.

And if it's going to be a day late, I think you've answered your question. We're in newspapers, not in the industry of making history books.

(By the way — you really mean to quote yourself in your signature? A little gutsy, don't you think? ) Wink
_________________
I've upped my standards — now, up yours.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
john josey

Juke Box Hero

Juke Box Hero

Joined: 25 Nov 2006


Posts: 37

Posted:
Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:53 pm

Reply with quote
 
This is just me, but I don't think newspapers are really in the "breaking news" business anymore. That's for TV and the Internet now. It's our job in print to begin working ahead of the story -- tell what happened, but don't focus on it, especially when it happened 12 hours before the paper hits the street. Everyone already knows what happened. Newspapers should immediately begin delving into the whys and the hows and begin looking at what's next. Everything else is just rehash and doesn't serve the reader. From what I saw, the StarTrib and the Pioneer Press did a pretty good job of avoiding that and began working ahead of the story.

That's just my .02, though.
_________________
See the city, see the zoo. Traffic light won't let me move ...
View user's profile Send private message
Billy Simkins

Contributing editor

Contributing editor

Joined: 27 Jul 2004


Posts: 141

Posted:
Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:49 am

Reply with quote
 
I agree.
_________________
The dude abides

- Dude
View user's profile Send private message
douglas e. jessmer

VizEds Moderator

VizEds Moderator

Joined: 19 Mar 2004


Posts: 1364

Posted:
Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:08 am

Reply with quote
 
John says newspapers aren't in the breaking-news business. I don't disagree. But please let me underscore the fact that we can't take our eyes off the need to chronicle the news as it happens, as well as the necessity to play it forward.

I've spent a little bit of time outside the newsroom recently, as some of you may know. And in that time, I came to see newspapers a little differently. While we can't be in the business of acting like breaking news happens right on our deadlines, there will always be the need to report the five Ws and H, and we can't ever neglect that. Readers, including me, expect no less. Journalists, including me, should not take their eyes off that nuts-and-bolts ball as we try to move the news forward and provide depth and breadth.

The Internet services newspapers have are not going to be profitable for a long time to come, if they ever are. So while breaking news will be the domain of the Web and traditional broadcast media, don't expect a large part of your readership to exclusively choose those other media over print. Give your reader what those other services can't, but don't forget to give them what they expect and need.

OK, enough rambling for now.
_________________
I've upped my standards — now, up yours.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
john josey

Juke Box Hero

Juke Box Hero

Joined: 25 Nov 2006


Posts: 37

Posted:
Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:41 pm

Reply with quote
 
douglas e. jessmer wrote::
John says newspapers aren't in the breaking-news business. I don't disagree. But please let me underscore the fact that we can't take our eyes off the need to chronicle the news as it happens, as well as the necessity to play it forward.

I've spent a little bit of time outside the newsroom recently, as some of you may know. And in that time, I came to see newspapers a little differently. While we can't be in the business of acting like breaking news happens right on our deadlines, there will always be the need to report the five Ws and H, and we can't ever neglect that. Readers, including me, expect no less. Journalists, including me, should not take their eyes off that nuts-and-bolts ball as we try to move the news forward and provide depth and breadth.

The Internet services newspapers have are not going to be profitable for a long time to come, if they ever are. So while breaking news will be the domain of the Web and traditional broadcast media, don't expect a large part of your readership to exclusively choose those other media over print. Give your reader what those other services can't, but don't forget to give them what they expect and need.

OK, enough rambling for now.


I wholeheartedly agree with all of the above, but the challenge is how to present that. If you go with the nuts-and-bolts story with facts that everyone already knows, the newspaper isn't relavent or immediate enough when readers have already been bombed all night long by TV and the Web. It's the biggest challenge we face in print. We can't ignore the nuts and bolts, true, but we also have to find ways to move beyond what readers have already seen and heard. The example that comes to mind is Saddam's capture. He was pulled out of the hole on a Saturday night, but we in the print biz presented it as if it happened on cycle Sunday -- every single one of us -- and the papers hit the streets on Monday with WE GOT HIM emblazoned everywhere when we actually got him two days ago and readers had been flooded with Saddam coverage on CNN, Fox and MSNBC. The very best in the print business fell into that trap, and it exposed a major weakness in how we present so-called breaking news. If you have X number of inches dedicated to a story, I'd rather see the smallest part of that number spent recapping what happened and the bulk of it telling me why it happened and, most importanly, what's next. That's how we printsters stay relavent and engaging in the age of immediate media. Again, that's just my opinion. I'm a reader, too, and I also have my expectations. I do not expect, however, to see a 40-inch story dedicated to stuff I already know from watching TV coverage. To be quite honest, as a reader I feel cheated by that. That's where the bullet points come in. Do it right, and it's extremely effective in recapping the news succinctly and without making me read a whole story of stuff I already know. Tell me all that up there with the headline, but tell me why it happened and what's going to be done about it in the big story.
_________________
See the city, see the zoo. Traffic light won't let me move ...
View user's profile Send private message
 
  Download This Topic
   Previous topic
   Next topic
Are we good at passing "NEW" news in smash heads?
 Visual Editors Forum Index » General Discussion   
 
VizEds was founded by Robb Montgomery  |   Contact   |  Terms

2004 - 2010, Visual Editors, NFP - All Rights Reserved.

Visual Editors was created by Robb Montgomery
Visual Editors Home Page