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Best newspapers of 2006 SND look like glorified newsletters.
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Dave Shutton

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Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:55 pm

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The paper that I work for was fortunate enough to (apparently) advance fairly far in the World's Best competition. Of that, no one was more surprised than me. But when we didn't win, and it kinda bummed us. Then, we did poorly in the individual competition, it bummed us even more. I'm not sure this is a good end result of a contest.
In all this I lost sight of the fact that, by all reports, our readers really love us, as do our advertisers. I'm always saying that my goal is to have people pick us up and go "this is the way a newspaper should be." Contest judges can only guess at how well a paper fullfills its mission. Readers, however, know. I think we should pocket our awards -- such as they are -- with a smile and worry more about being the best-designed newspaper not for our peers, but our readers. That's my $0.02
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Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:50 pm

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Dave Shutton wrote::
In all this I lost sight of the fact that, by all reports, our readers really love us, as do our advertisers. I'm always saying that my goal is to have people pick us up and go "this is the way a newspaper should be." Contest judges can only guess at how well a paper fullfills its mission. Readers, however, know. I think we should pocket our awards -- such as they are -- with a smile and worry more about being the best-designed newspaper not for our peers, but our readers. That's my $0.02


This is the smartest thing ever written on this Web site. Well done, David. And great work on Link. I'm not sure why you guys didn't win that many SND awards, but I think you show why that doesn't matter, and why the ultimate prize is being thought of as a relevant, indispensible publication by your readers.
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Billy Simkins

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Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:25 pm

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Dave Shutton wrote::
The paper that I work for was fortunate enough to (apparently) advance fairly far in the World's Best competition. Of that, no one was more surprised than me. But when we didn't win, and it kinda bummed us. Then, we did poorly in the individual competition, it bummed us even more. I'm not sure this is a good end result of a contest.
In all this I lost sight of the fact that, by all reports, our readers really love us, as do our advertisers. I'm always saying that my goal is to have people pick us up and go "this is the way a newspaper should be." Contest judges can only guess at how well a paper fullfills its mission. Readers, however, know. I think we should pocket our awards -- such as they are -- with a smile and worry more about being the best-designed newspaper not for our peers, but our readers. That's my $0.02


Agreed


Quick question: Does SND have translators for foriegn headlines? I would asume this is a huge part as a clever or poor headline in an American paper can kill a page.
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Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:39 pm

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imracin68j wrote::
Dave Shutton wrote::
The paper that I work for was fortunate enough to (apparently) advance fairly far in the World's Best competition. Of that, no one was more surprised than me. But when we didn't win, and it kinda bummed us. Then, we did poorly in the individual competition, it bummed us even more. I'm not sure this is a good end result of a contest.
In all this I lost sight of the fact that, by all reports, our readers really love us, as do our advertisers. I'm always saying that my goal is to have people pick us up and go "this is the way a newspaper should be." Contest judges can only guess at how well a paper fullfills its mission. Readers, however, know. I think we should pocket our awards -- such as they are -- with a smile and worry more about being the best-designed newspaper not for our peers, but our readers. That's my $0.02


Agreed


Quick question: Does SND have translators for foriegn headlines? I would asume this is a huge part as a clever or poor headline in an American paper can kill a page.


Translators are available for most languages. Papers are asked to provide translation with their entry forms which the facilitators will read for judges (judges aren't allowed to look at entry forms).
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Luke Knox

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Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:02 pm

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scavendish wrote::
imracin68j wrote::
Quick question: Does SND have translators for foriegn headlines? I would asume this is a huge part as a clever or poor headline in an American paper can kill a page.


Translators are available for most languages. Papers are asked to provide translation with their entry forms which the facilitators will read for judges (judges aren't allowed to look at entry forms).


I can attest to this -- I got plenty of exercise in Syracuse running after judges to read those to them. And some foreign papers definitely put WAY more effort into leaving a coherent translation than others.

I wouldn't think the translations of headlines and content would necessarily make or break a page, though; I'm sure judges through the years have been able to pick up on the information and tone of a design, and the clarity of the message.
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Luke Knox wrote::
I wouldn't think the translations of headlines and content would necessarily make or break a page, though; I'm sure judges through the years have been able to pick up on the information and tone of a design, and the clarity of the message.


Actually - I've seen it happen. While a well designed page should tell you the story no matter what language it is in, the details still matter. Over the past few years in 'Cuse I've seen a couple of disapointed judges vote no after I read them the translation.

By the way - just in case someone out there missed it, the winners database is now online:

http://www.snd.org/competitions/contest28.lasso
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Douglas Weeks

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Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:07 pm

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I am not a fan of ads on the front, and I am less fond of an ad in the teaser box at the top; however, this is beyond my control as a designer.

If keeping an ad on the front page keeps me employed doing what I love then I'll deal with it.

Someone said something about having a McDonald's ad across the bottom of a piece of artwork hanging in the living room. Yes, i would not like that, but I am fairly certain none of my front pages are hanging in anyone's living room, except perhaps my mother.

I am an artist, but I do not consider the newspaper I design as art. It is journalism. The art of telling the news. The visual impact is not the only reason someone purchases a newspaper.

Having an "artful" newspaper, a well-designed newspaper does not mean it is a successful newspaper. It all goes to your content. If you do not have the content readers want to be reading then you will not have any readers.

Just a few thoughts.
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Billy Simkins

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Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:48 pm

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Any add at the bottom of the front page is the result of a BMW driving sales person that thought it would be a good repeat revenue for his monthly bonus. Even if it was at the expense of the paper. Having a piece of wall art is the same as having your work hanging in the SND pages. How can a design have a focal point with a 4x2 red shakeys pizza ad across the bottom. I'm not arguing that papers need the money, I'm just saying it bombs the design (IMO.) When I see a pub with an ad on the front it reminds me of the free publications left on my car window when I go see a movie. At best it looks like sub tabs put out to make quick bucks. When ads roll across the front of your cover, your design has been compromised. I believe Randy Wright was disgusted when Pulitzer did it in Arizona when he worked there, and I totally agree with him.

In 2010 all the American papers will start putting ad's on the front of their pages. Then the Euros will start taking them off and they will be looked at as revolutionary for running fronts with no ads. lol

Sidenote: There's also alot of ethical conflicts that can arise with ads on the cover. What do you do when you have a real estate ad and then have a top story about the housing market taking a dive.
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Oh. And I almost forgot:

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R'member that time I said that?

You 'member that?

Ummm...

That was awesome, wasn't it?
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:07 pm

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This thread has got to be one the most entertaining treads to date on V.E. It's a hit at my work. lol

Kudos for people who try to stylize forum replies showcasing their wit. lol
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