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		<title>Comment on Watch how you form your letters&#8230; by Jim McBee</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/08/watch-how-you-form-your-letters/#comment-7579</link>
		<author>Jim McBee</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.suck.uk.com/product.php?rangeID=66" rel="nofollow"&gt;Fun with lettering.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>Comment on Let the back shop design your paper? by doug</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/06/132/#comment-7552</link>
		<author>doug</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that after-the-fact critiques are ridiculous. Take them for what they are. People in the best shops actively seek input beforehand. There's another name for it, though: "Visual editing." That's what I seek and encourage. Most VizEds people do, too, Robert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that after-the-fact critiques are ridiculous. Take them for what they are. People in the best shops actively seek input beforehand. There&#8217;s another name for it, though: &#8220;Visual editing.&#8221; That&#8217;s what I seek and encourage. Most VizEds people do, too, Robert.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Let the back shop design your paper? by Rknil</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/06/132/#comment-7547</link>
		<author>Rknil</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/06/132/#comment-7547</guid>
		<description>"About the after-the-fact critiques, I also agree with him wholeheartedly. I’d much rather have some feedback and input when it could do some good — on the front end — rather than have a page shredded after it’s finished and in readers’ hands."

I meant to include this part in the previous post (although it's a moot point because it will take weeks for these posts to show up).

Designers and pseudoeditors have proved they are incapable of offering the feedback when it matters. That's why many of them should be fired. Simply waiting for the paper to come out and then to say: "Doesn't work for me" is asinine and always has been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;About the after-the-fact critiques, I also agree with him wholeheartedly. I’d much rather have some feedback and input when it could do some good — on the front end — rather than have a page shredded after it’s finished and in readers’ hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>I meant to include this part in the previous post (although it&#8217;s a moot point because it will take weeks for these posts to show up).</p>
<p>Designers and pseudoeditors have proved they are incapable of offering the feedback when it matters. That&#8217;s why many of them should be fired. Simply waiting for the paper to come out and then to say: &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t work for me&#8221; is asinine and always has been.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Let the back shop design your paper? by Rknil</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/06/132/#comment-7546</link>
		<author>Rknil</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/06/132/#comment-7546</guid>
		<description>Well, j., you started off well (except for the back-handed compliment) and then you descended into the usual concoct-and-chant. I have yet to see anyone walk by a vendor box or a stack of newspapers, look at a page and proclaim: "That looks great! I have to buy it!" It's simply a falsehood concocted by designers. In the future, you and others in the visual world would do well to leave that argument behind. You can't prove it.

By the end, you're simply back to the old strategy of trying to protect yourself by creating a way to blame to the content for the failings of designers.

Also, I mentioned the part about keeping designers' schedules packed because the person quoted in the article says the graphics people could do the work more quickly. That's because they don't putz around as designers do. The only way to prevent the putzing is to load the designers with work; that keeps them from spending entire shifts creating pencils in PhotoShop or wasting time on other nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, j., you started off well (except for the back-handed compliment) and then you descended into the usual concoct-and-chant. I have yet to see anyone walk by a vendor box or a stack of newspapers, look at a page and proclaim: &#8220;That looks great! I have to buy it!&#8221; It&#8217;s simply a falsehood concocted by designers. In the future, you and others in the visual world would do well to leave that argument behind. You can&#8217;t prove it.</p>
<p>By the end, you&#8217;re simply back to the old strategy of trying to protect yourself by creating a way to blame to the content for the failings of designers.</p>
<p>Also, I mentioned the part about keeping designers&#8217; schedules packed because the person quoted in the article says the graphics people could do the work more quickly. That&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t putz around as designers do. The only way to prevent the putzing is to load the designers with work; that keeps them from spending entire shifts creating pencils in PhotoShop or wasting time on other nonsense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Let the back shop design your paper? by j.</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/06/132/#comment-7539</link>
		<author>j.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/06/132/#comment-7539</guid>
		<description>Actually, the Wordhawk makes a couple of good points.

There aren't enough design guidelines. That's why, especially at small papers, everyone who touches a page does his/her own thing. Styleguides are good things, and all papers big and small would do well to implement one.

About the after-the-fact critiques, I also agree with him wholeheartedly. I'd much rather have some feedback and input when it could do some good -- on the front end -- rather than have a page shredded after it's finished and in readers' hands.

Where I disagree is keeping my schedule packed (mine's already pretty full) and slashing the time devoted to design. I'm a content guy -- I started as a reporter, so I know the value of the words. At the same time, visual impact and engagement is a large part of attracting the attention of readers. Make 'em stop and look, and chances are they'll want to read. That takes time and resources if you're going to do it well. I'm not trying to start the typical pissing contest with our friend because I feel he genuinely has the best interest of the business in his heart, but to compete with TV (the epitome of visual engagement) and the immediacy of the Internet, we have to show we're visually savvy AND have content that's relevant, compelling and engaging. Design is nothing without quality content, and a newspaper is only as good as its content. If the best-looking paper in the world has crap content, it's a crap paper. It's that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the Wordhawk makes a couple of good points.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t enough design guidelines. That&#8217;s why, especially at small papers, everyone who touches a page does his/her own thing. Styleguides are good things, and all papers big and small would do well to implement one.</p>
<p>About the after-the-fact critiques, I also agree with him wholeheartedly. I&#8217;d much rather have some feedback and input when it could do some good &#8212; on the front end &#8212; rather than have a page shredded after it&#8217;s finished and in readers&#8217; hands.</p>
<p>Where I disagree is keeping my schedule packed (mine&#8217;s already pretty full) and slashing the time devoted to design. I&#8217;m a content guy &#8212; I started as a reporter, so I know the value of the words. At the same time, visual impact and engagement is a large part of attracting the attention of readers. Make &#8216;em stop and look, and chances are they&#8217;ll want to read. That takes time and resources if you&#8217;re going to do it well. I&#8217;m not trying to start the typical pissing contest with our friend because I feel he genuinely has the best interest of the business in his heart, but to compete with TV (the epitome of visual engagement) and the immediacy of the Internet, we have to show we&#8217;re visually savvy AND have content that&#8217;s relevant, compelling and engaging. Design is nothing without quality content, and a newspaper is only as good as its content. If the best-looking paper in the world has crap content, it&#8217;s a crap paper. It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pinellas News summer intern heads back to Ohio U. by Andrew M. Roman</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/08/pinellas-news-summer-intern-heads-back-to-ohio-u/#comment-7532</link>
		<author>Andrew M. Roman</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/08/pinellas-news-summer-intern-heads-back-to-ohio-u/#comment-7532</guid>
		<description>Nice to see a fellow Bobcat make a good impression. Keep up the good work, Jenna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see a fellow Bobcat make a good impression. Keep up the good work, Jenna.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abrams: Design is an imperative now by doug</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7441</link>
		<author>doug</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7441</guid>
		<description>How about the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review?

Yeah, I know, I know, it's a paper I helped redesign in 2003. But I'm not affiliated with them now. How's that?

I'm giving you easy answers, Robert, because instead of arguing with you, I have work to do, play to do and life to live. You really need to find some happiness, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review?</p>
<p>Yeah, I know, I know, it&#8217;s a paper I helped redesign in 2003. But I&#8217;m not affiliated with them now. How&#8217;s that?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m giving you easy answers, Robert, because instead of arguing with you, I have work to do, play to do and life to live. You really need to find some happiness, too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abrams: Design is an imperative now by Rknil</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7369</link>
		<author>Rknil</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7369</guid>
		<description>One example, and a biased one at that. Now how did I know that was coming?

How about something:

(1) not involving you

(2) at a paper with some size that someone has heard of

(3) at a paper that someone on the face of the planet would notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One example, and a biased one at that. Now how did I know that was coming?</p>
<p>How about something:</p>
<p>(1) not involving you</p>
<p>(2) at a paper with some size that someone has heard of</p>
<p>(3) at a paper that someone on the face of the planet would notice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abrams: Design is an imperative now by doug</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7366</link>
		<author>doug</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7366</guid>
		<description>Yip, sure can, Robert. I gradually redesigned the paper I now edit, and we're seeing gains. 

I'm not discounting the content changes that were made during the redesign, because the design is nothing without content, but the way the content is developed and presented (that's the design) had a lot to do with it. 

Otherwise, no one would have noticed as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yip, sure can, Robert. I gradually redesigned the paper I now edit, and we&#8217;re seeing gains. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not discounting the content changes that were made during the redesign, because the design is nothing without content, but the way the content is developed and presented (that&#8217;s the design) had a lot to do with it. </p>
<p>Otherwise, no one would have noticed as much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abrams: Design is an imperative now by Rknil</title>
		<link>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7322</link>
		<author>Rknil</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.visualeditors.com/jessmer/2008/07/abrams-design-is-an-imperative-now/#comment-7322</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolute insanity. So we're not going to focus on the content, and somehow the content is supposed to get better?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The 21st century is fast becoming the haven for crazy people like Lee Abrams who have no intelligence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;"Even the smallest newspaper will see gains once a more visually savvy presentation is adopted." Really, Doug? I'm sure you can just fill up the screen with verifiable examples. (eyes rolling)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolute insanity. So we&#8217;re not going to focus on the content, and somehow the content is supposed to get better?</p>
<p>The 21st century is fast becoming the haven for crazy people like Lee Abrams who have no intelligence.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even the smallest newspaper will see gains once a more visually savvy presentation is adopted.&#8221; Really, Doug? I&#8217;m sure you can just fill up the screen with verifiable examples. (eyes rolling)</p>
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